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Can a Pastor Offer Destructive Advice?

In my years of being in abusive churches, I was led to trust the input and advice of the “Man of God.” Any major life decision – be it college, getting married, or professional – we were to go to the pastor for counsel.

I spent most of my military career in Norfolk, Virginia. Norfolk was and still is a major Navy town, brimming with active duty and veterans. On several occasions when I was up for transfer orders, I did what any faithful member would do. I went to the pastor for counsel and direction. At this particular time, I had 11 years in the Navy and a chief at my command suggested I apply for a commissioning program. The pastor had a different recommendation: NO.

Why? He felt at that time if I pursued a commission that I would be more involved with command duties and less time with “the ministry.” Eventually he eased up his position on members joining the officer ranks, but I wonder if it was because officers could stay in the military longer plus make more money. This came too late for me, though.

I took the pastor’s advice over that of the chief. End result: I retired from the Navy after 20 years, but my advancement in rank stalled at E-6. While I am proud of my service, I can’t help but wonder if my career would have gone further had I listened to the chief.

The lesson I learned from this was that pastors may mean well, but they aren’t the subject matter experts in every aspect of a person’s life. This left me wondering what might have been professionally.

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Unbelieving Believers

Only Jesus can satisfy your soul
And only He can change your heart
And make you whole;
He’ll give you peace you never knew
Sweet love and joy and Heaven too,
For only Jesus can satisfy your soul.”
(Lanny Wolfe)

I woke up to this song in my heart this morning….don’t ask me why…. I haven’t heard or sung it in years…..but I sat up in bed belting out the chorus like I was an accomplished singer. Which I am not!

But it’s been stuck in my head and I can’t keep from singing it. I’m sure (hopefully) this has happened to many of you too. So I stopped questioning the reason and started enjoying the message of the song.

Many of us have gone through awful and wicked abuse in our lives and going to church to find Jesus seemed the most natural thing to do. Problem is there are so many legalistic churches that we found ourselves trapped in a works-based religion that gave us very little joy and no satisfaction for our soul. So we left, bandaging our wounds and limping out of a building never to return.

Our hearts have been broken into so many pieces and our souls crushed and our emotions and feelings have been hardened and now we are numb. We feel anger against God and the church we left and let’s face it, we are just so angry.

Even with all the baggage we are carrying, our hearts and souls still long for Jesus. We still want that joy of the Lord and His freedom and His grace and mercy. Because we never found it in the legalistic churches, we are having trouble believing that it is even true.

Then God wakes you up with a song in your heart…..

“Only Jesus can satisfy your soul
And only He can change your heart
And make you whole;
He’ll give you peace you never knew
Sweet love and joy and Heaven too,
For only Jesus can satisfy your soul.”

I know when I left the United Pentecostal Church I was leaving a lifetime of teaching and spiritual works but I had become an Unbelieving Believer. I was lost in the wilderness with a hardened heart and an unbelieving spirit. And just like the Israelites, I wandered about in rebellion with a hardened soul so I couldn’t be hurt again. I guarded myself against God, His Word, church and people. I literally let the enemy of my soul encase my heart in ice so I couldn’t feel the pain….but I also couldn’t feel anything else but anger.

In a devotion I read a few days ago, Joyce Meyers mentioned, “The problem with being an Unbelieving Believer is you shut the door on God and what He has planned for your future” and dwell on things that has happened to you….the shame, hateful words, false accusations, and of course the shunning.

I’m seven years into my recovery now and the first thing God was able to get through to me was that to receive anything from Him, I needed to believe. As God melted the ice around my heart and let me know it was okay to believe in Him again. I chose to start believing little by little and not mix in doubt and unbelief.

Realizing that Jesus wanted to restore my heart, soul, and emotions I was going to have to let Him into those areas of my life again. I was going to have to change my ways and become like David and pursue God and ask him to change me and to give me the same kind of heart that He has.

I have come to realize that Jesus truly satisfies that longing in my heart and it comes from knowing God more intimately today than I did yesterday. I have become a Believing Believer again.

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Top May 2018 Posts

In May 2018, the blog section of the spiritual abuse website had 10,271 visits, with 6291 being unique. Below are the top ten read posts for May from six different authors.

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Is Your Pastor Ruinous To Your Spiritual Life? – author Lois (accessed 827 times)

PTCS -Post Traumatic Church Syndrome – author Nana5 (accessed 783 times)

How Long Is Your Skirt? (Er, How Holy Are You?) – author John (accessed 645 times)

Dirty Words – author Susan (accessed 460 times)

The United Pentecostal Church and Sexual Abuse – author Lois

If You Were To Die Tonight – author Lois

Selfish greed – author FreeAtLast

More on “I got to have your money” Financial Greed – author FreeAtLast

Aggressive, Militant Christians – author Dividing His Word

Examining Teachings #6: Adding To The Bible – author Lois

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Submission? Is It For Today? Part 2

I never heard my Pastor teach about submission in the 7 years I’ve been attending this church until about a year or so ago. Needless to say, I probably would have gotten up and left because of my past. But something was intriguing about what my pastor thought about submission and I wanted to know why so many married couples seemed so happy together, even my daughter was happy in her new marriage.

After being brought up in the United Pentecostal Church and endured their subservient view of women, I was curious to know how they looked at women. So I stayed to listen…

He started with a quote from an article he read by John Piper, “Submission is the defined calling of a wife to honor and affirm her husband’s leadership, and so help to carry it through according to her gifts.”

I wasn’t too sure about this but I said to myself I would listen to the end so I stayed and he continued, reading 1 Peter 3:1-6.

“In the same way, you wives must accept the authority of your husbands. Then, even if some refuse to obey the Good News, your godly lives will speak to them without any words. They will be won over by observing your pure and reverent lives. Don’t be concerned about the outward beauty of fancy hairstyles, expensive jewelry, or beautiful clothes. You should clothe yourselves instead with the beauty that comes from within, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is so precious to God. This is how the holy women of old made themselves beautiful. They put their trust in God and accepted the authority of their husbands. For instance, Sarah obeyed her husband, Abraham, and called him her master. You are her daughters when you do what is right without fear of what your husbands might do.”

This was going from bad to worse for me. I refuse to call some man my Master….then pastor surprised me and said he knew what every woman in the place was thinking and to be patient it wasn’t what we thought. He then went back to the article by John Piper and said he was going to tell us what submission was NOT. Submission was NOT? I was all ears and wanted to hear this…

Submission is….

1. Not agreeing on everything. The wife who is a believer has sworn allegiance to Jesus Christ and he is her Lord and King. It is possible to be submissive and refuse to think what your husband says you should think about. God has made us with a mind, we can think, we can plan and reason.*

2. Not leaving your brain at the altar. Any man who says “I do the thinking in this family!” is sick and has a warped view of his authority. Before you go to the altar you need to agree it’s okay to disagree. When a decision can’t be made the husband has the final say.*

3. Not stopping to influence your husband to become a believer. God says you can win your husband by your submissive attitude.*

4. Not putting the will of your husband before the will of God. Jesus is your Lord and for his sake, you will submit to your husband. But Jesus is your Lord and Savior and when you have to choose between the two, you will choose Christ. You don’t do this with an arrogant attitude but a meek one, letting your husband know you can’t do what he suggested.*

5. Not getting your spiritual strength from your husband. Your hope is in Christ, you attend church, pray and study the Word. Your strength comes from the Lord.*

6. Not living or acting in fear. You are a God-fearing wife and you are fearless. Husbands are called to a unique kind of leadership in marriage and the wife is called to a unique kind of submission. It can be a wonderful marriage, a unique and blessed partnership.*

Of course the pastor gave me a lot to think about and maybe ….just maybe….my thinking about submission could change, especially after he ended his sermon with the rest of the chapter…

“In the same way, you husbands must give honor to your wives. Treat your wife with understanding as you live together. She may be weaker than you are, but she is your equal partner in God’s gift of new life. Treat her as you should so your prayers will not be hindered.” 1 Peter‬ ‭3:7 NLT

Now I like that!

*information came from article by John Piper, “Six Things Submission Is Not” and my sermon notes from 4/24/17.

Submission? Is It For Today? Part 1

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Submission? Is It For Today? Part 1

Submission is a tricky word and it’s connotation seems out of date for many modern women who are very independent and most likely able to provide for themselves very well. They provide so well for themselves they often ask “Why do I need a man, much less submit to one?”

I was this woman…after my husband left me …before that I thought I was a pretty submissive wife. I always supported him in his career and put my wants and needs on hold to see to his needs and make sure he was happy. Which is how the church taught the women to be…submissive, subservient, meek…. My former pastor taught marriage was not a partnership but a 75/25 split because Eve disobeyed in the garden and women needed the strong arm of a man to keep us in order.

I totally disagreed and remember taking my kids, walking out of the service and sitting on the front porch of the church until service was over. My husband stayed to the end and gave me hell all the way home because he was the “king” of the family and I was out of order.

No matter how hard I tried, it never seemed work, he was always grumbling about something and when he became a pastor he took a lot of his frustration out on me. Our marriage was never 50/50 he made all the decisions even though I often disagreed with him or would try to offer other suggestions but he was always right. I suffered through them as did our children for 27 years.

When he left me for someone else I was at first heartbroken because I’d been betrayed after being a good and obedient wife to him and a good mother to our children. I felt like he took all my good years and then threw me away like a dirty sock.

Then I started feeling the freedom for the first time in 27 years. I didn’t want any man to ever tell me what to do again I told myself and of course my new pastor tried to tell me I was to be submissive to him as my spiritual leader since I was now a single woman but I just laughed at him and set out on another quest for truth on submission and what did the Bible really say about it?

First place I looked was the Proverbs 31 woman who had been preached to us as the perfect woman….I wanted to know what made her perfect.

“A wife of noble character who can find? She is worth far more than rubies. Her husband has full confidence in her and lacks nothing of value. She brings him good, not harm, all the days of her life. She selects wool and flax and works with eager hands. She is like the merchant ships, bringing her food from afar. She gets up while it is still night; she provides food for her family and portions for her female servants.” This is where the teaching usually stopped because she worked hard to take care of her family and was not interested in a career outside the home. A good submissive wife. At least that’s how I interpreted the verses.

But I continued reading about this amazing woman…
“She considers a field and buys it; out of her earnings she plants a vineyard. She sets about her work vigorously; her arms are strong for her tasks. She sees that her trading is profitable, and her lamp does not go out at night.”
Now this sounds like an independent woman who knows real estate and vineyards and wine making and turns a profit…she understands finances and she makes decisions on her own. She didn’t run to her husband to ask permission or even for his help.

“In her hand she holds the distaff and grasps the spindle with her fingers. She opens her arms to the poor and extends her hands to the needy.”
She’s benevolent and charitable and gives to the needy and poor, still not asking her husband.

“When it snows, she has no fear for her household; for all of them are clothed in scarlet. She makes coverings for her bed; she is clothed in fine linen and purple. Her husband is respected at the city gate, where he takes his seat among the elders of the land.”
Her husband is not embarrassed by her success nor is he intimidated by it.

“She makes linen garments and sells them, and supplies the merchants with sashes.” Another business venture!

“She speaks with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue.” She’s educated.

“She watches over the affairs of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness. Her children arise and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praises her: “Many women do noble things, but you surpass them all.” Her husband thinks she’s wonderful!

“Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting; but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised. Honor her for all that her hands have done, and let her works bring her praise at the city gate.” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭31:10-24, 26-31‬ ‭NIV‬‬

This woman is submissive to her God and she follows His lead by loving and respecting her husband and her family.

So what does submission really mean?? Does it mean respecting her husband and letting him have the confidence that she stands with him so he has no shame when he meets with the other men at the city gates?

Submission? Is It For Today? Part 2

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