Top August 2017 Posts

In August 2017, the blog section of the spiritual abuse website had 6317 visits, with 3417 being unique.

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Commenting directly on the blog is an encouragement to our authors as they often cannot see all the places where these are shared and discussed on social media.

This month the list is being downsized as most of our bloggers took breaks. We had eleven posts and two were giveaways and another was the top posts of the previous month. So, below are the top five read posts for August, not including the giveaways.

Fake Trump Tweet to the NAYC – author Lois. (accessed 357 times)

My Church Experience After Leaving – author Lois. (accessed 164 times)

My Church Experience After Leaving Part 2 –  author Lois. (accessed 127 times)

Getting Out the Old Books: Larry L. Booker – author Lynne (accessed 124 times)

On The Other Side – author Lois.

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Our 20th Anniversary Giveaway

This is now closed.

We have given away books for years as part of the spiritualabuse.org ministry and this will be our fourth large one via this blog for 2017 and it is in celebration of our 20 year anniversary of the website. This is your chance to receive one or more free books and other items on various issues. After making your request, be sure to respond to my email requesting your mailing address if I do not already have it. In some past giveaways we had people request items but never responded. This keeps material from others.

We always provide these at no charge to our readers. The total cost for just the postage on our first through third 2017 giveaways, plus the cost of the Christianity Without The Cross giveaway, was over $200.00. The Shattering II and our giveaway last Sunday cost more than $140.00.

The first people with a USA mailing address who respond will receive their choice of books/DVDs/CDs at no charge to them. (Unfortunately, it is cost prohibitive to mail these books outside of the USA.) To respond, just leave a comment for this post. If you are unsure what any item is about, the links will take you to Amazon where you may read their description and reviews.

Please understand that comments require approval unless you have previously commented with the same email and screen name. So while it may look like you are first, there may be someone ahead of you whose comment is pending. Be sure to use your actual email address when setting up to comment as I will be contacting you through it if I do not already have your address. Check your spam folder as email sometimes goes there. (For your privacy, do not put your email or address in the comment.)

Be sure to mention which item(s) you would like and you may refer to them by number instead of the title. There is no limit on how many you may request, though you may only have one copy of any title.

Up for grabs are several used books, DVDs & CDs. Being used, they will have imperfections and possible markings. Many of these I have not read, so do not take their inclusion as an endorsement from me.

  1. Two paperback copies of Codependent No More by Melody Beattie. (One has some highlighting.)
  2. One paperback copy of The Language Of Letting Go by Melody Beattie.
  3. One paperback copy of Wounded by Terry Wardle. TAKEN
  4. One paperback copy of The Emotionally Abused Woman by Beverly Engel. (some highlighting) TAKEN
  5. One paperback copy of Hiding In The Light by Rifqa Bary. (Left Islam to follow Jesus)
  6. One paperback copy of What’s So Amazing About Grace by Philip Yancey.
  7. One hardcover copy of Zondervan Handbook To The Bible.
  8. Two hardback copies of The Church Awakening by Charles Swindoll.
  9. One hardback copy of The Grace Awakening by Charles Swindoll. (some markings)
  10. One paperback copy of Testament The Bible Odyssey.
  11. One hardback copy of Holy Bible New Revised Standard Version.
  12. One hardcover copy of The Truth Book by Joy Castro. (Jehovah’s Witness Abuse)
  13. One DVD of The Story Of Two Kings/Where Did The Bible Come From. TAKEN
  14. One DVD of The Case For Faith The Film With Lee Strobel. TAKEN
  15. One DVD of The Village by M. Night Shyamalan. (widescreen) TAKEN
  16. One DVD of Why Are You Afraid DVD Study based on Max Lucado’s Fearless. TAKEN
  17. Two DVDs of Beyond The Gates Of Splendor. (Missionary story- very good)
  18. Set 3 VHS Tapes of Caring For People God’s Way 101-106 AACC.
  19. MP3 CD NIV Audio New Testament Dramatized by Faith Comes By Hearing. – 2 available ONE TAKEN
  20. Tangled Blu-Ray Disc (Only includes the Blu-Ray) TAKEN
  21. Deluxe Compact Disc Psalms & Proverbs NASB. 5 CDs
  22. Three paperback copies of Since Nobody’s Perfect How Good is Good Enough by Andy Stanley. ONE TAKEN
  23. One paperback copy of A Stolen Life by Jaycee Dugard. TAKEN
  24. One paperback copy of The Case For Christ Student Edition by Lee Strobel. TAKEN
  25. One paperback copy of The Shack Large Print by Wm. Paul Young. TAKEN
  26. One hardcover copy of Life’s Healing Choices by John Baker. TAKEN
  27. One hardcover copy of Hinds Feet On High Places by Hannah Hurnard. TAKEN
  28. One paperback copy of The Subtle Power Of Spiritual Abuse by David Johnson & Jeff VanVonderen. (very heavy markings) TAKEN
  29. Two paperback copies of Healing Spiritual Abuse by Ken Blue. (very heavy markings) TAKEN
  30. Two paperback copies of Transforming Grace by Jerry Bridges. (very heavy markings & one water damaged)
  31. One paperback copy of Choosing Forgiveness by Nancy DeMoss. (markings) TAKEN
  32. One paperback copy of The 5 Love Languages by Gary Chapman. TAKEN
  33. One hardback copy of The Reformation by Will Durant. TAKEN
  34. One hardback copy of Stolen Innocence by Elissa Wall (polygamy) TAKEN
  35. One hardback copy of Mormon America by Richard & Joan Ostling. (liquid damage at top- not updated edition) TAKEN
  36. One hardback copy of Guilt Free Living by Robert Jeffress. (autographed) TAKEN
  37. One hardback copy of The Jesus I Never Knew by Philip Yancey. TAKEN
  38. One hardback copy of What’s So Amazing About Grace by Philip Yancey. TAKEN
  39. One hardback copy of The Year Of Living Biblically by A.J. Jacobs.
  40. One hardback copy of Going Clear by Lawrence Wright (Scientology) TAKEN
  41. One hardback copy of The Gift Of Fear: Survival Signs That Protect Us From Violence by Gavin De Becker. TAKEN
  42. One hardback copy of Boundaries by Henry Cloud & John Townsend. (liquid damage) TAKEN
  43. One hardback copy of The Five Languages Of Apology by Gary Chapman & Jennifer Thomas. TAKEN
  44. One bonded leather copy of Holy Bible Vine’s Expository Reference Edition. (markings/damage) TAKEN

Mailing will be dependent upon funds in my PayPal account.

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Our 20th Anniversary

Today marks the 20th anniversary of the spiritualabuse.org website. [Edit: 2023 marked our 26th anniversary and I have updated this post with a few stats.] We had a very small beginning way back on August 23, 1997 and over time have grown to be fairly large. We were originally part of AOL’s home pages (membership pages) until January 25, 2000 when I obtained the spiritualabuse.org domain name. I had been watching the domain name for awhile and no one had obtained that or the .com. After I purchased the .org domain, the .com was obtained on May 25, 2000 by Dale S. Ryan for Jeff VanVonderan’s abuse website. [Edit: The domain name has been secured and paid ahead through January 25, 2029.]

For those who were not aware of the website back in the late 90s, the Wayback Machine has an archive of some of the pages during our days at AOL. Some of our readers may want to see our modest beginnings and compare how much the site has changed since then. I have to chuckle when I see some of it. 🙂 At that time, there were not yet many websites or writings on the subject of abuse in churches.

On May 16 of the same year we started the Christian-Koinonia Support Group as part of Egroups, which later became Yahoo Groups. On August 8, 2003 we started to make our move to a phpBB2 bulletin board system and closed the Yahoo list to posting on August 31, 2003 after moving the group to the website. Moving ahead to December 29, 2007, we purchased vBulletin’s software and in early January 2008 we were up & running on our present system. We have a wealth of information there for those who have experienced an unhealthy church. [2023 Edit: Since starting the Facebook group, this one has been mostly inactive, so we don’t advertise it now.]

March 30, 2010 was the day that the Facebook Page promoting the website started. This is open to public view and has just over 1250 likes. [12/26/23 Edit: The Page now has 10,378 followers and 7263 likes.] Then on February 20, 2015, we opened a closed (private) support group on Facebook that has grown to just under 200 members. [12/26/23 Edit: The support group now has 866 members.]

January 11, 2012 is when our YouTube channel was opened and on August 15 we started uploading videos.  There are 48 videos available and they have had 62,514 views. We have 111 subscribers. [12/26/23 Edit: It now has 50 videos and 322 subscribers. Nothing has been posted since 2018, though some playlists are updated. I hope at some point to get back to this.]

In June 2016, we added this WordPress blog section & I decided to try Twitter again after an unsuccessful earlier attempt in 2010. [12/26/23 Edit: We do regularly tweet. There are 1135 followers and 8011 posts have been made. The blog now includes 973 posts and has had about 31 authors through the years.]

[12/26/23 Edit: We added an Instagram account in the summer of 2023, and there are 71 followers. It hasn’t yet been utilized alot.]

Instead of being able to decrease our activity, the need for material and support groups dealing with spiritual abuse has not diminished since 1997, but rather has increased. The number of books and articles on the subject is plentiful today as more and more people speak up and add their voices and knowledge. The number of websites dealing with some aspect of abuse has rapidly grown, though some of them have also folded after a season. I wish that there was no longer a need for this site or our support group. But every day people are joining unhealthy churches and are subjected to spiritual abuse.

I’d like to thank all of those who have helped this website in some way through the years. Your support has enabled us to continue our efforts to help those who have found themselves in turmoil after being part of an unhealthy church. I had no clue when this first started that we would still be around 20 years later. May all who have been subjected to spiritual abuse find healing and be free of all the erroneous teachings and false perceptions of God.

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My Church Experience After Leaving Part 2

This is continued from Part 1.

Years later when I saw error in the main teachings of the United Pentecostal Church, so much time had passed in not attending a church that the thought of doing so brought about a bit of apprehension. I had no idea how other churches operated or what would be expected of me as a member or attender. All I’d known was the UPC. This is why church attendance was a problem for me during this time. This now brings us to the year 2000.

After I started the support group and was pondering a thought to move to Texas, I made a trip there in the fall of 2000 to feel things out. One of the members had shared about a church they found and enjoyed that wasn’t Pentecostal and wanted me to visit. I couldn’t guarantee that I’d be able to go and from our correspondence prior to my visit, they knew not to push. Not pushing helped, because if they had, I probably wouldn’t have gone.

When one has left an unhealthy church, it can be very triggering to attend services again. Some simply cannot do it. While churches closer to what one experienced may be the most triggering, a very different church could still cause triggers. I remember some people at a secular cult awareness gathering being triggered by the use of a podium in a session and we were not holding any type of religious service. Yet it reminded them of the prior churches they attended, with the pastor at the pulpit. Other people are able to jump right into another church and do not grapple with these same triggers. Each person will react in their own way, based upon their past experiences. One may be triggered by certain songs or their volume, another by the speaking style of ministers, some by the mention of certain Bible passages and others by the dress and appearance of those in attendance.

I had a mind battle about visiting the church. It wasn’t that there was no desire to go and I certainly wasn’t against church attendance. Then there was the issue of ‘proper’ attire. I no longer had all the dresses or shoes that I’d wear for services as I slowly changed my wardrobe through the years. I had to talk to myself a lot and I didn’t know for sure if I’d be going even the morning of the service. I fought lots of feelings, thoughts and emotions, even to the point of wondering if I’d pass out. It had been six years since I’d attended church and that was Oneness Pentecostal. This was a Friends church- Quaker. Huge difference even though theirs were not the ones where people sat in a circle.

Well, I made it. It was funny to me how the songs they sang were ones I knew. As the service progressed, I calmed down inside and was able to attend the following week without going through all of the prior angst.

When I moved to Texas in June 2001, I attended that same church periodically at first and then regularly until the end of February 2002. An incident happened where the main pastor proclaimed an author to be a prophet for our time and he was coming to speak for a few days at the church. This was being heavily promoted and the bulletin mentioned how the ministry at the church was impacted by this author. I had problems with some of his teachings and rejected the thought of him as a prophet. After prayer, counseling with a minister friend, and much thought, I made the decision to move on.

Though the people seemed nice, there was only one older gentleman, a visiting minister, who regularly spoke with me. Outside of the Sunday School class I was in, I didn’t have much interaction with anyone. (In the class, other than a group discussion, my talk was mainly with the teacher as I was usually the first to arrive.) It certainly was different from what I was used to where visitors and new people were made to feel at home and quickly developed friendships and spent time together. In retrospect, since I left, it’s best that no bonds were really made.

After that, I went through many months where I didn’t know if I’d be remaining or having to move due to my finances and later being let go from my job because they did away with the position. It wasn’t until the fall of 2002 that I knew I would be remaining. So though I would have liked to have had somewhere to go, I didn’t look too hard because of my situation.

I remained without a home church during the rest of my time in the state. It was a difficult issue for me, especially after feeling to leave both churches I had attended.

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My Church Experience After Leaving

This is a brief summary of the first seven years of my church experiences after leaving the United Pentecostal Church. Understand that for several years afterward, I still believed the main salvation teachings of the group.

When I left my former UPC church in late 1993, I’d already been introduced to a church in West Orange, NJ which had not long before voted to pull out of the organization. When I resigned from my church, I would attend as I was able (it was two hours away). There was only one other local UPC in my area. I knew my former pastor still had feelings against that UPC pastor and church. (Before I ever started attending, there had been a split in the church which eventually led to this other one starting in a nearby town.) Even though I would have been accepted at this local church, even in not upholding standards, I knew that to go would be upsetting to my former pastor. During the time I was a member, my pastor would periodically say negative things in sermons about that church, some of the people, and its pastor. This went on for years after the split had taken place. If it upset him to have to stand behind and pray for this man at his UPC ordination (he didn’t like that Wayne Trout, the District Superintendent, had him do this), it wouldn’t have helped the situation had I left our church and joined this one.

Several months after I left, the pastor was told by one of my friends that I’d written some findings on the hair teaching. He called pastors to warn them about me. This isn’t hearsay as I heard it directly from one of the pastors he called, which was the nearby church. I have no idea if he just called the churches in the southern part of the state or if it was more widespread. Because of his actions, other than this local church that had started after a split, there would be no way I could have attended any of the others. While I did meet with the pastor of the nearby church and even gave him a copy of my writings on hair, which he asked to keep, by that time I knew I couldn’t live what I considered a lie. I’d be welcomed there but could never be used other than in giving a testimony, helping clean or raise funds, or something similar. At the time, I knew I’d want to be active anywhere I attended and to do so would necessitate adhering to all the things that I no longer saw as biblical. I simply couldn’t do it.

All this time I was still attending the church two hours away when I could. As the weeks went on, there were others who became upset with things happening at my former church (that had to do with the pastor) and more left. We contacted the pastor from the West Orange church to see about starting a cell group locally as his church had several of these. I started attending more regularly there and some of us attended a class for this type of leadership. However, during this same time there were all kinds of things happening at my former church and they hit me very hard. I had many emotions and feelings I was dealing with, sometimes not very well.

I felt that while I was grappling with all that, I shouldn’t be in a leadership position. I was supposed to help with the cell group (they call them life groups) and another couple would lead them. To be in a leadership position in these home groups, you had to join the church as a member. I didn’t attend a membership explanation meeting and due to the the way the pastor approached me about missing it, it didn’t sit well and I was feeling pressured. He already knew how I was feeling and never shared prior to it that it was necessary for me to attend.

So they started the group and I didn’t join the church. The pastor didn’t attend our home meetings, but made the lessons for them. At the very first local cell gathering, there was something odd introduced there which I’d never heard before and questioned, though I didn’t do so at the meeting.  All of the things combined led me to stop attending. Eventually, everyone from my former church who had gone there left for one reason or another.

As shared at the beginning, at the time I was still very much UPC in doctrine with the exception of standards. Because of this, every Trinitarian church was automatically put out of the picture, sight unseen. There were only a handful of UPC churches in the entire state, so for any smaller Oneness Pentecostal group, there were even fewer, if any at all. I called different places that others would share about and they just didn’t line up with the doctrine in one way or another. Eventually I just gave up looking.

Years later when I saw error in the main teachings, so much time had passed in not attending a church that the thought of doing so brought about a bit of apprehension. I had no idea how other churches operated or what would be expected of me as a member or attender. All I’d known was the UPC. This is why church attendance was a problem for me during this time.

When one exits an unhealthy church, it is important to take the time and effort to examine the teachings. Had I looked into the main salvation teachings then, I wouldn’t have been extremely limited in potential new places of worship.

Part 2.

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